Martyring Christians in America

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“The customer is always right” does not mean that service is a right.  Gay marriage advocates use the legal system to assault and assassinate Christians.

America is not a savage culture, but a civilized one.  We are not led by barbarians, but by cultured people.  Even so there elements that make up much of society who do behave barbarously and attack others in any way they can.

In the Middle East where savages rule Christians are beheaded, burned, raped, and murdered for their faith.  (Interestingly, they are also murdering gays, but gays in America don’t complain about that.)  In America no one is murdered, but they are subject to character assassination and litigious assault to financially destroy them.  Just as Obama uses the IRS to steal from Christian conservatives, and the EPA to regulate their businesses to bankruptcy, leftists are using the legal system to crush Christians in any way they can.  If you can’t beat them, steal from them.

So far the assault has cost several honest business owners their livelihood.  Advocates for gay marriage going to Christian businesses and demanding their service or face legal attack are making martyrs of any who stand up to their thuggery.  It’s not like they don’t have a score of wedding photographers or bakers from which to choose who will gladly take their money.  “The customer is always right” is advice for the businessman, it is not a requirement.

Will they force Hindus to serve beef or Moslems to serve bacon next?  Moslems in America won’t make gay cakes either so why aren’t they going after them?  Are they afraid they will declare Jihad on them?  This is nothing less than the same fascism that drove Nazis into power through the tyranny of the minority.

A warning for those who believe they can win this war with their unscrupulous actions; you shouldn’t piss off people whom you ask for a service, especially if they handle your food.

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6 Responses to Martyring Christians in America

  1. dustyk103 says:

    Posted on FB:

    Skoll Valdr · Top Commenter · University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy
    No-one is martyring anyone in America. When was the last time you heard of a Christian dying for their belief in the USA?
    Get you head out of your ass and live in the real world.
    Reply · Like · 47 minutes ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 120 followers
    Skoll Valdr A wise man opens a book, a fool opens his mouth. Try reading before you speak so you don’t make such a fool of yourself.
    Reply · Like · Edited · 45 minutes ago

    Skoll Valdr · Top Commenter · University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy
    Dusty Koellhoffer Stop throwing out useless ad hominems and answer my question, you imbecile.
    Reply · Like · 41 minutes ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 120 followers
    Skoll Valdr Again, try reading the article and you will understand how you are wrong in your foolish assumption. You can make an ass of yourself, but not of me.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · 39 minutes ago

    Skoll Valdr · Top Commenter · University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy
    I did. The article is not only badly written, uses ludicrous comparisons that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, and NO-ONE DIED. Do you understand the definition of martyrdom!? I don’t need to make and ass of you. You’re doing that all by yourself, boy.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · Edited · 36 minutes ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 120 followers
    Where in the article did I say Christians in America are being killed?
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · 35 minutes ago

    Skoll Valdr · Top Commenter · University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy
    Can you really be THAT stupid?

    mar·tyr
    ˈmärdər/
    noun
    1.
    a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
    “saints, martyrs, and witnesses to the faith”
    a constant sufferer from (an ailment).
    “I’m a martyr to migraines!”
    verb
    verb: martyr; 3rd person present: martyrs; past tense: martyred; past participle: martyred; gerund or present participle: martyring
    1.
    kill (someone) because of their beliefs.
    “she was martyred for her faith”
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · 32 minutes ago

    Skoll Valdr · Top Commenter · University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy
    Not to mention that no-one is prosecuted for their beliefs. People are prosecuted because they display unacceptable behavior.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · 31 minutes ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 120 followers
    Martyr
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    For other uses, see Martyr (disambiguation).

    The Christian martyrs of Japan. 17th-century Japanese painting.
    A martyr (Greek: μάρτυς, mártys, “witness”; stem μάρτυρ-, mártyr-) is somebody who suffers persecution and/or death for advocating, renouncing, refusing to renounce, and/or refusing to advocate a belief or cause of either a religious or secular nature.

    You are not only myopic, but a liar. “Prosecuted for unacceptable behavior?” BAD BEHAVIOR IS NOT A FUCKING CRIME! If it was every person on the planet would be in jail! You espouse stupidity as morality.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · Edited · 2 seconds ago

    Skoll Valdr · Top Commenter · University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy
    I didn’t say bad behavior. I said unacceptable behavior, which is the definition of crime. Nice try though.
    Once again, no Christian is prosecuted and/or killed for advocating, renouncing, refusing to renounce, and/or advocating a belief or cause of either religious or secular nature. Christians are prosecuted for discrimination.
    Go back to middle school before trying to argue with grown ups.
    Reply · Like · Follow Post · Edited · 52 minutes ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 120 followers
    And, as usual, when you start legislating morality, you prove yourself to be nothing more than Nazis of behavior. There is a vast gulf between a crime and bad behavior. Putting discrimination into the category of crime opens the way to make any behavior that anyone deems “offensive” a crime, and that is the very heart of Nazism. It is how minorities impose tyranny on the majority.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · Edited · 2 minutes ago

    Skoll Valdr · Top Commenter · University of Minnesota College of Pharmacy
    And you fail at reading again. Again you cite “bad behavior,” a phrase I never used. Congrats.

    Discrimination IS a crime as provided by the 14th amendment and a plethora of state and federal non-discrimination laws.

    Minorities imposing tyranny on the majority? That’s it. You’re insane. Clinically. A pathological liar, living in a dream world where Christians in the USA are the victims. Completely out of touch with reality.

    I’m done with you. F minus. Sit down, boy.
    Reply · Like · Follow Post · about an hour ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 120 followers
    Your adherence to your bad points, combined with your free use of words like ‘pathological liar’ and ‘boy’ to your elders, indicates your arrogance and insolence leave you too closed-minded to understand that tyranny is imposed by the minority. Those like you who charge racism, sexism, homophobia, and religious bigotry are frauds endorsing leftist anti-Christian Nazism in the name of being fair.
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  2. dustyk103 says:

    Another FB thread:

    Anneke Dubash · Top Commenter
    You have a very strange concept of “martyring”. Being required to serve gay customers as one would any other customer is not “martyrdom” by any stretch of the imagination.
    Reply · Like · 1 · 8 hours ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 120 followers
    Anneke Dubash Being financially destroyed for your religious beliefs is.
    Reply · Like · 1 · 7 hours ago

    Marilyn Clark · Top Commenter · Animal Rights
    Dusty Koellhoffer Not even that. These people DID nothing. They merely stated an opinion. And they clarified it wasn’t a gay prejudice, cause they serve them. It’s just the marriage issue. It’s viewed as a sacrament. And they cannot sin by actively participating, even in a hired status. The one they should be going after is Islam. They’re the ones who hate what you are.
    Reply · Like · 1 · 5 hours ago

    Brian Lumberg · Top Commenter · Colorado Springs, Colorado
    Anneke – It is immoral for any level of government to force an individual to act against their conscience. Your statement “being required to serve” should have alerted you to the fact that you’re supporting an authoritarian form of government, if not totalitarian. What happens when you are “required to serve” in a way which violates your conscience?
    Reply · Like · Follow Post · 5 hours ago

    Starla Denise Minde · Follow · Top Commenter · Fredericksburg High School
    They weren’t financially destroyed they got 250 thousand it’s a sham…I can’t believe you all don’t see what is really happening…I give up I will let God sort you all out.
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  3. Mark Benko says:

    A martyr (Greek: μάρτυς, mártys, “witness”; stem μάρτυρ-, mártyr-) is somebody who suffers persecution and/or death for advocating, renouncing, refusing to renounce, and/or refusing to advocate a belief or cause of either a religious or secular nature. Most martyrs are considered holy or are respected by their followers, becoming a symbol of exceptional leadership and heroism. Martyrs play significant roles in religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Bahá’í Faith, and Sikhism. Similarly, martyrs have had notable effects in secular life, including specific figures such as Socrates, as well as in politics and Chinese culture.

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    • surj1936 says:

      Mark Benko ” Martyrs play significant roles in religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Baha’i Faith and Sikhism …. ” Please I would like to know in what respect does Islam have their martyrs?

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  4. dustyk103 says:

    FB responses:

    Dennis Daley · Top Commenter
    What is their gofundme total at…over $500k I hear?
    Reply · Like · April 3 at 11:56am

    Ed Kulzer · Top Commenter · New York, New York
    They are martyring Christians in America, Dusty? Please do tell: which Christians have been so killed in the name of Christ, in America?
    Reply · Like · 30 minutes ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 114 followers
    Such a fund should be available to all victims of the Nazi left. What Christians are being martyred? A wise man opens his mind, a fool opens his mouth. You should try reading before inserting your foot in your mouth.
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    Ed Kulzer · Top Commenter · New York, New York
    Dusty Koellhoffer And there’s the hilarious historical revisionism yet again. Sorry, Dusty: no matter how desperately the Right bleats–– Naziism is Right wing. Nazis sent Gypsies, Jews, gays, and union members to concentration camps. They laud pageantry and militarism and nationalism. How on earth does that seem anything but Rightist to you, eh? Or— better yet, Dusty:

    Who said it: Adolph Hitler? Or Ann Coulter?

    http://www.giveupblog.com/hitlercoulterquiz.html

    You should try employing your brain, Dusty, before opening your gourd and exposing your gross ignorance to the world.

    You post an article of moronitude from a fringe wingnut source. And, ha ha, demand that anyone not disgracing themselves by so indocrinating themselves with such filth is not “wise”.

    Epistemic closure much, Dusty?
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · Edited · 57 minutes ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 114 followers
    The Communists did the EXACT same thing as the Nazis, only to different groups. There is no difference between one leftwing socialist ideology or another. They are all authoritarian statists while the rightwing stands for ideologies of liberty. No rewriting of history is necessary, only a clarification for leftists who want to make the world believed they are oppressed by the righteous. To believe that righteous people are tyrannical is the twisted, dysfunctional thinking of the Left. Right thinking people who behave as leftists doesn’t make them right, it makes them as wrong as those they condemn.

    https://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2013/07/19/left-vs-right-the-true-paradigm/
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  5. dustyk103 says:

    This exchange is on FB and is a clear cut example of how a leftist lives in their own world. They are either deceivers who will “die with the lie” or functional psychotics who cannot recognize and reject the truth. It is an interesting character study into their dysfunctional thinking and how they confuse and confound those seeking to educate them.

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    How are leftists destroying Christians when some homosexuals are Christians and some leftists are Christians? Thank god I grew up in a progressive Roman Catholic family. I don’t know what I would’ve done if I was indoctrinated to believe that it would ever be okay to dehumanize and discriminate someone based on their sexuality.
    Reply · Like · April 4 at 2:42pm

    Eleni Swanson
    Mariah Poppins As an example, would you as a small private catering business owner serve the aforementioned KKK celebration?
    Reply · Like · 2 · April 4 at 4:13pm

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Eleni, that’s a false equivalence. You can’t compare a hate group that has lynched blacks and committed other acts of violence against them to homosexuals…
    Reply · Like · April 4 at 4:16pm

    Eleni Swanson
    Mariah Poppins Is it that your conscience bothers you when thinking about that? Isn’t it just business in any situation?
    Reply · Like · 2 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 4:31pm

    Eleni Swanson
    Why should anyone be allowed to follow their conscience when their conscience makes other people uncomfortable? After all, isn’t it more important to give than to receive, give others their way and not get your own way?
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 4:38pm

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Do you even run a private business? I do and we have anti-discrimination laws for a reason. You can’t use your religious beliefs to defend actions that violate U.S. laws. Would you tell a black person you don’t want to serve him or her because you don’t believe in or your conscience doesn’t condone “black culture”? XD If you can’t run a business in an ethical, non-discriminatory manner, then you don’t deserve to run a business. Business owners don’t possess limitless freedom. We have to follow the laws that exist within the countries we conduct business in. That’s how it works. If you offer a service or a product to some customers, but not others, because of some ignorant views you possess that are based on texts that were written by ancient, genocidal misogynists some 2,000 to 3,500 years ago, then you are behaving in a discriminatory manner.

    I don’t care what your Bible may say. You can’t cherry-pick your customers like you cherry-pick your Biblical verses.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 4:54pm

    Trudi Fleit · Top Commenter · Western State College of Colorado
    Mariah Poppins As with most progressives, you are deliberately ignoring the facts of this story. This family/owners of the business NEVER REFUSED TO SERVE HOMOSEXUALS!!!!!! They were asked a hypothetical question, i.e., “What if . . . ” The situation has never arisen in real life because most people don’t want pizza served at their wedding. The woman who answered said that IF – IF – IF it ever happened, she would have to say no. Do you suppose that this is the only pizza joint in town? Probably not. Do you think the hypothetical gay couple who wants pizza served at their wedding could find another pizza joint to serve it? Probably so. The stinking reporter who asked this nonsensical question asked it in order to destroy this family business. She had the story already written – she just had to fill in the names. She stoked hatred and bigotry and intolerance by pointing out that OMIGOD THESE PEOPLE ARE CHRISTIANS AND WOULDN’T CATER A GAY WEDDING!! And in other news . . . the world is ending. GET OVER IT!! These people do not hate gays, but they should in no way be forced to do work for an event they find morally wrong. You want them to act like hypocrites, don’t you? Pretend they love something when they really don’t? You want them to act like most progressives, in other words, who claim to be open-minded, tolerant, and loving when in reality you are really close-minded, intolerant, and hateful toward anyone that doesn’t agree with you.
    Reply · Like · 8 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 5:23pm

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    First of all, I’m a center-right moderate. Nice try.

    Secondly, the pizzeria offers a pizza delivery service. That is a SERVICE they PROVIDE. They cannot cherry-pick their customers like they cherry-pick their Biblical verses. Serve all or none (unless hate speech or hate groups are involved). You’re in business to sell a product or a service. That’s it. Period. And since when do Christians monopolize the meaning and concept of marriage as if they’re the only religion that allows people to marry and the religion that started the concept of marriage? XD

    Does this mean the pizzeria can tell Buddhist, Islamic, Hindu, Sikhist, etc. couples that they can refuse service to their wedding ceremonies because they don’t believe in the legitimacy of their marriage (according to the Bible)? 😛

    I’m against the Indiana bill because it all… See More
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 5:48pm

    Trudi Fleit · Top Commenter · Western State College of Colorado
    Yes, actually, religious freedom is enshrined in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. We ARE free to stand up for what we believe in. There is no right for people to have pizza. These people did deliver pizza to whomever ordered it. Are you against the Muslim bakery that refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding, or do they get a pass because they’re, well, MUSLIM? This law does not encourage, condone, or incite people to discriminate. What it does is protect those who are targeted by special interest groups to prove a political point, which is what is happening all over the country to florists, photographers, planners, etc., by the intolerant gay groups who no longer just want our acceptance of their lifestyle – now they want to FORCE us to celebrate their lifestyLE. Why do you believe … See More
    Reply · Like · 4 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 6:30pm

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    First of all, no one gets a pass for discrimination unless a business owner is refusing services that will be used within a hate group’s event or products that are requested by a customer that include hate speech.

    Secondly, you do not understand how the First Amendment works. The First Amendment and the Establishment Clause protect citizens from having the right to practice their religion (i.e. prayer and worship service attendance) revoked from the government, not a private citizen. The First Amendment DOES NOT give you the right to discriminate. There IS NO right to discriminate. You still have the right to pray and attend your own worship services regardless of whether or not you cater at a same-sex marriage ceremony. The government is not taking away your right to pray or attend worship services.

    Thirdly, I am actually a… See More
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 7:11pm

    Trudi Fleit · Top Commenter · Western State College of Colorado
    No one should be forced to do business with anyone. I can’t believe you expect people to check their faith at the door of their businesses. Well, yes, I guess I can believe it. But you are wrong in that expectation. They should be free to turn down job proposals; they are the ones who have to do the work to earn the money. If they don’t want the money they shouldn’t be forced to do the work. That is an intrusion of government into private affairs and an infringement on their freedom. And why would anyone want someone working at their wedding who didn’t want to be there? Forcing someone to be there against their will is stupid, but if you insist on forcing them to be there, don’t complain if the pizza is undercooked or they forget to put the tomato sauce on or leave off the pepperoni. Seriously, this is a stupid problem … See More
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 8:29pm

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    What do your religious beliefs have to do with a business transaction? If you can’t serve everyone (who isn’t using your business services or products for hate group events or hate speech production), then don’t run a business. We have anti-discrimination laws for a reason and business owners are not above the law, regardless of their religious beliefs.

    I don’t care what your religious beliefs are concerning homosexuality. Psychologists and neuroscientists don’t agree with your flawed logic about “lifestyles” and sexuality choices and the government does not agree with your group’s silly attempts to pervade our secular legal system with defenses that are based on religious beliefs. This isn’t Iran. This is the U.S. and our country was founded to escape from the religious laws and non-secularism established by King George III of Great Britain… History is not about to repeat itself, sorry. The Founding Fathers would be turning in their graves if they discovered that some Americans are trying to put religion back into the courtrooms…

    I already answered your question at the beginning of my previous response. It isn’t my fault if your reading comprehension is about as poor as your knowledge concerning business law, anti-discrimination law, the role the government has within business sectors, and Constitutional interpretation.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 8:51pm

    Trudi Fleit · Top Commenter · Western State College of Colorado
    Oh, I love it! You people just can NEVER have a civil discussion, can you? It ALWAYS becomes hateful in tone and word, insulting and condescending. You just can’t stand that people don’t think you’re the smartest person on the face of the planet. I thought maybe you could be above that, and you went longer than most, but it always ends up with your self-righteousness, judgementalism, and revisionist history taking over.
    Reply · Like · 2 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 9:32pm

    Alan Wallace Frederick · Top Commenter · McDonough, Georgia
    Trudi Trudi Trudi ,if you are in america you must do buisness within the parameters of the law regarding discrimination like it or not.you can’t be denied because you are a women but you would deny a gay person citing religion.so what about Christianity requires you to do that.and how does providing him a cake keep you from being a christian.I could cite many reasons why denying them would.
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 9:45pm

    Jim Ziegler · Corona, California
    Trudi Fleit, would you be ok with a business refusing to serve Christians?
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 11:47pm

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Wait a minute, wait a gosh darn minute. Any comment that starts with the words “you people” is not the beginning or the continuance of a civil discussion. I never called you any names. You’re just ticked that you can’t use your religious beliefs to defend your ignorance in court and your ticked that you didn’t actually read my previous comment, yet you had the audacity to ask me the same question (twice) which I had already answered the first time. This is a civil discussion. Sorry it isn’t going in your favor…
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · April 4 at 11:59pm

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    I’m self-righteous? I’m not trying to transform our courtrooms into a bastion of non-secularism in an otherwise secular nation. You’re the one who wants to give business owners the potential to utilize a 2,000 to 3,500-year-old religious text to place them above our laws within a secular legal system. We shouldn’t even be swearing upon a Bible in our courtrooms… Be happy with how many privileges Christians already have within our “secular government” and be happy. It’s more than folks from other religions have received from our government. Dear lord, and I thought white privilege was bad. “Christian privilege” is a whole different ballpark…
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · Yesterday at 12:05am

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 116 followers
    To answer Jim’s question, you can experience discrimination from anybody or any group. It’s not nice to discriminate, but it’s not a crime except to leftists. I’ve been discriminated against for many different reasons. I’m not gonna call the police and try to destroy those people for it. That’s the difference between a conservative Christian and liberals who side with atheists like Mariah.
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · 23 hours ago

    Jim Ziegler · Corona, California
    Dusty, you might want to recheck those laws. If I were to tell a customer I would not serve them because they are Christian, I would be violating the law. The public square belongs to everyone, those who seek to do business in the public square need to treat everyone equally. That applies to both Christians and members of the LGBT community.
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · 22 hours ago

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Dusty, first of all, I’m an agnostic, not an atheist (there are differences, but I wouldn’t expect a staunch, discriminatory Christian to understand how other belief systems operate), and I am also center-right moderate business owner.

    Do you run a business, Dusty? If so, I’m sure you would love an anonymous report to the EEOC, OSHA, and a slew of the other government agencies regarding your blatant and outright refusal to follow anti-discrimination laws (which makes me wonder how many other laws you’re probably breaking). This isn’t a free market, Dusty. This is a mixed market – which implies that government regulation exists within our economy. I don’t care how much you may hate homosexuals, blacks, Mexicans, people who don’t speak English, etc. You have no right to discriminate others in a place of business and you have no right to use your religious beliefs as a form of defense in a SECULAR court system.

    Iran called: they want their theocrat back. It’s slightly ironic how Christian conservatives want to attack a theocracy while trying to establish elements of a theocracy of their own. 🙂 Am I sensing coexistence issues?
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · 18 hours ago

    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 116 followers
    Mariah, if you think I know nothing and you are going to educate me about morality and religion, then you are speaking stupidly. Your assumptions are as expansive as your thinking is limited. How did blacks and Mexicans get into this conversation? What difference does it make if I run a business? How do you know who I hate or what I think? You are thinking dysfunctionally and are clearly not capable of carrying on an intelligent debate.
    Reply · Like · 1 · Unfollow Post · 17 hours ago

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Dusty, I used the word “may” to illustrate the fact that it does not matter what types of clientele you hate or find immoral. The fact that you don’t run a business matters because you have no idea how business law and civil rights law work; non-business owners are under the assumption that we business owners wield limitless power. We don’t! This is not a free market for a reason. We HAVE to follow U.S. laws or our businesses can and will be shut down after continuous violations. Your religious beliefs do not make you exempt from following U.S. laws. I’m an agnostic, yet I have to serve conservative Christians regardless of how much I disagree with and find the conservative Christian “lifestyle” immoral. A business exists to conduct transactions, not to ensure your customers practice the same religion or possess the same belief … See More
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    Trudi Fleit · Top Commenter · Western State College of Colorado
    You want to force people to work at jobs they don’t want to perform. If someone says, “I would like to hire you to do such and such,” you have the right to say thanks, but no thanks, I’d rather not. It is not as if this pizza joint advertised its catering services; it didn’t. This whole uproar on the part of crazy, angry leftists is all based on a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical question. It is okay to turn down an offer for a job. As soon as someone offers you money for doing something for them, they become your employer, and if you don’t have a contract with him and you did not promise through advertisements that you would serve him, you have the right to not work for him. It’s easy for people to judge others until they are in the same situation, and that’s what most of these activists are doing – condemning other … See More
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    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Trudi, no one is forcing you to be a private business owner. If you can’t follow anti-discrimination laws, then don’t run a business or don’t continue running a business. You are not exempt from U.S. laws regardless of your religious beliefs. Why is this so difficult to understand? How many times do I have to repeat myself?

    I’m not married, I don’t have children, and I don’t run a catering service. XD What is it with your usage of false equivalences in almost every post you make? And why is the father of my invisible children immune to the consequences of your scenario, misogynist? It takes two to tango.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · 15 hours ago

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    You can respond with as many non-sensical, imaginary, or false equivalenced non-sequiturs as you want – you are still not exempt from U.S. laws. If you’re not ready to accept the usage of Sharia Law in our secular courtrooms, then don’t expect to use our secular courtrooms to use your religious beliefs as a form of defense. You are not above the law and we have a secular government.
    Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · 15 hours ago

    Trudi Fleit · Top Commenter · Western State College of Colorado
    You have no imagination, do you? Anyway you are in good company and share a lot of the same views as ISIS. Once all the Christians are wiped off the planet, you can all live happily every after in your secular existence.
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    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Trudi, yes, I am an Islamic religious extremist because hatred is the covert tenet of most religions, I am an agnostic who does not know whether a god exists, I am against institutionalized religion, and I disagree with religious extremism and the use of religious beliefs as an acceptable form of defense within a secular government…That makes perfect sense! 🙂

    I’ll give you a hint – religious extremists do not want secularism. They want others to conform to their religious beliefs and the codes of “morality” that are associated with those beliefs. You have a lot more in common with religious extremists (like ISIS) than I do. 🙂

    I love conservative religious folks: “If you don’t agree with my political views or religious beliefs, you’re either a commie or a member of ISIS who is trying to destroy America and Christianity!” I forgot that the First Amendment only applies to religious conservatives… How does it feel to be angry, fearful, outraged, or a combination of all three on a daily basis? 😀

    Side question: will Christian business owners ever stop serving fornicators, adulterers and liars? Or is a same-sex marriage ceremony the only sin that is important enough to condemn? 😉

    Please continue with the imaginary, non-sensical, and false-equivalenced non-sequiturs. They’re very amusing. 😀
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    Dusty Koellhoffer · Top Commenter · University of Georgia · 116 followers
    Let me help those of you still arguing with Mariah. Mariah is a deceiver, whether she realizes it or is just a functional psychotic who does not. Save yourselves the frustration because even after you show her the truth and prove Obama’s lies and her own, she will deny their existence and then accuse you of denial of the truth. Once you do they will call you names and try to incite you to anger with whatever vile accusations they can make, and if you fall for it then they say, “aha! see!” It’s all to promote their fraud and demean the righteous in the eyes of witnesses. They are the people with whom Sam Clemens warned never to argue.

    I recognized her when she threw all the B.S. at me telling me how I think without any evidence and deviated completely from the subject. That is not how completely sane people think and is just proof that a large percentage of people are dysfunctional thinkers. The Founders understood this about people which is why they did not make this a democracy where anyone can vote, but a Republic where only those who are responsible enough to own property and care for it can do so. Most dysfunctionals are not, which is why Democrats give them free credit.

    On examination you will see that her arguments are completely dysfunctional assault that is meant to deride, distract, deny, and demonize reasonable people, make them doubt themselves, and simply beat them down with her warped world view. You are wasting your time and effort if you think you can educate with the facts and teach her the truth. I recognized this immediately, which is why I won’t bother debating her. She is living the lie and there is nothing you can say or do to change that.
    https://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2015/03/06/the-4d-nutwork-of-liberal-debate-deride-distract-deny-demonize/

    Mariah Poppins · Follow · Top Commenter
    Dusty, Dusty, Dusty… You’re just angry and fearful because someone doesn’t agree with your erroneous and dysfunctional views for a change and that someone is actually basing their argument around logic and knowledge instead of trying tirelessly to victimize themselves.

    Now, I’m making sure that I use enough transitional phrases to ensure that you are able what has happened within this “debate” thus far.

    First of all, I started the debate by asking a question about your first post: “How are leftists destroying Christians when some Christians are homosexuals and some leftists are Christians?” To which I never received a response.

    Next, we were discussing the serving of same-sex marital customers one minute and then all of a sudden you threw in a non-sequitur about Christian beheadings… Yes, that makes complete sense – because homosexuals in the U.S. who just want equal access to a business that supposedly serves customers are related to the act of beheading Christians.

    Then, instead of offering a logical rebuttal, you assumed I was a liberal atheist (I am neither).

    To top things off, completely sane, reasonable, and non-dysfunctional people do not get their news from a news source that is plastered in advertisements about “odd tricks to stop erectile dysfunction” or “fat-loss loopholes [that can] shed 3 dress sizes.” XD

    Also, completely sane and reasonable people do not use non-sequiturs and false equivalenced when they are attempting to have a logical debate.

    Also, completely sane people who debate about this subject establish knowledgeable and logical defenses concerning Constitutional interpretation, business law, civil rights law, etc (which I have done and you have not done). You’ve spent most of the time arguing about how I am an immoral person who shouldn’t be listened to without actually responding with logical, sound rebuttals.

    How about instead of erroneously defining me as a deceiving, psychotic, and dysfunctional person you try to engage in the logical and knowledgeable debate I am providing you with with rebuttals that also contain logic and knowledge? Now, that’s a wild notion…Try and stay on topic for a change.

    Did I leave anything out or are you still foaming at the mouth over the keyboard trying to decide which adjectives you’re going to use to describe me next?
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