ISIS is the creation of Bush or Obama

Rubio answers Iraq question

Democrat media attempts to rewrite history and blame Republicans for today’s crisis in the Middle East.  Sen. Marco Rubio will have none of it and gives the most intelligent response to liberal media “what if – gotcha” questions.  Liberal media demonizing of Republicans relies on the ignorance of both the LiV (low-information voter) viewing public and Republican respondents falling into their traps.

Leftwing liberal Democrats are saying that George Bush ousting Saddam Hussein destabilized the region, created ISIS, and is the root cause of all the wars and uprising raging across the Middle East.

Rightwing conservative Republicans say that Obama’s precipitous withdrawal from Iraq in 2010 against military advice, followed by his support and endorsement of the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamist rebels to overthrow secular leaders, are the causes of the rise of Islamo-nazis throughout the Middle East.

It obviously doesn’t matter which is actually correct.  This is a matter of which side you believe is correct.

Survey – ISIS is due to the policies of which president?

Democrat media tries to beat Republicans in the head over Iraq

The question being asked of Republicans is; “Knowing what you know now (that WMDs were not found in Iraq) would you have supported the Iraq War?”

These “what if” hypotheticals of 20/20 hindsight to prove future decisions by Republicans are flawed are designed as “gotcha” questions by the liberal media to discredit Republican candidates.  Why is this not being asked of Democrats who also supported the invasion?  Because the liberal media is creating the fiction that the intelligence reports that Saddam had ejected UN inspectors so he could rebuild his WMD arsenal were all lies.

So then the question begs to be asked of Democrats:

“Knowing what we know now, do you agree with Obama’s support to overthrow Kaddafi of Libya, Mubarak of Egypt, and Assad of Syria?”

and

“Knowing what we know now, do you support Obama’s decision to totally support all U.S. forces from Iraq to give ISIS room to grow?”

Does anyone believe that after Tel Aviv is vaporized in an Iranian nuclear fireball the liberal media will ask Democrats:

“Knowing what we know now, do you still support Obama’s deal with Iran?”

Liberal media do not pose “gotcha” questions to Democrats.  Republicans need to learn how to deal with “gotcha” questions and kick the liberal propaganda machine in the balls because that is all Democrat media does.

Rush Limbaugh clarifies how Republicans should squash liberal “what ifs”

When it comes to presidential judgment, Obama fails the grade a thousand times with his implementation of his economic, military, and foreign policies.  All presidents suffer from poor judgment, especially Democrats:

“Knowing what we know now, should Bill Clinton have killed Usama bin Laden when he had the chance?”

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    http://allenbwest.com/2015/05/what-george-bush-said-about-iraq-in-2007-was-amazingly-prophetic/#comment-2034211112

    Brendan Dusty Koellhoffer • an hour ago
    The facts point to Bush
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    Grove Peate Brendan • 39 minutes ago
    Prove it. http://www.washingtontimes.com
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    Brendan Grove Peate • 3 minutes ago
    Prove it?
    Gladly.

    Instead of citing opinion editorials that don’t mention the facts… try researching news stories from 2008, when Bush signed the agreement.

    At the time, it wasn’t big news because 2011 was far away.

    here… read the second paragraph of this story…
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/

    or from the New York Times…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11

    Those two articles were before the Iraqi parliament approved.. here, a week later, in the Washington Post…
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/

    But wait!
    Where is proof that Bush signed this?
    Do you remember the famous incident where an Iraqi reporter threw a shoe at President Bush when the President was in Baghdad in December 2008 holding a press conference?

    The shoe got all the news coverage… but do you know why Bush was in Baghdad? What he was there to announce?

    I’ll let FOX News tell you…
    http://www.foxnews.com/politic

    That article is about the show throwing, but half way down the article, it tells you what Bush’s meeting in Baghdad was all about…
    “The president visited the Iraqi capital just 37 days before he hands the war off to President-elect Barack Obama, who has pledged to end it. The president wanted to highlight a drop in
    violence in a nation still riven by ethnic strife and to celebrate a recent U.S.-Iraq security agreement, which calls for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq by the end of 2011.”
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Brendan • a few seconds ago
    What you really proved is you are ignorant and a dysfunctional thinker.

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    Brendan Dusty Koellhoffer • 25 minutes ago
    HAHAHA
    wow… you are in denial.
    You really hate facts.
    Yes… Bush warned against early withdrawal back in 2008
    And then he changed his mind and, the very next year, signed an agreement, withdrawing all US forces by the end of 2011.

    You are deliberately ignoring the facts.

    I don’t deny what he said in 2007.
    But you, and all the other apologists, are living in a fantasy, pretending he didn’t change his mind in 2008 and sign a withdrawal agreement.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Brendan • a few seconds ago
    Brendan, you are a fool. Obama was the president who signed the withdrawal agreement in 2009.
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    Brendan Dusty Koellhoffer • an hour ago
    Liar.
    The agreement was signed officially, in Baghdad on December 14th 2008
    I provided a news link above.
    Please back up your phony claim that Obama signed the withdrawal agreement in 2009
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Brendan • in a few seconds
    Bush withdrew main combat forces. Obama withdrew everyone. A draw down is not the same as a pull out.
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    Brendan Dusty Koellhoffer • 4 hours ago
    You are deflecting and ignoring the facts.
    Bush signed the agreement in 2008 that called for full withdrawal by the end of 2011.
    The 2011 deadline for full withdrawal was signed by Bush in 2008.
    The agreement called for a phased draw down and withdrawal, turning operations over to Iraqi forces, ending US combat operations, and finally complete withdrawal… all planned to take place over the three years after the agreement was signed.

    Since you have not bothered to provide any evidence of your previous claim that Obama signed the withdrawal agreement, I’m guessing you are quietly retracting that claim.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Brendan • in a few seconds
    Oh I recognize your game. You’re a filthy lawyer who likes to play the game of “He didn’t sign that.” You are making it Bush’s fault for signing the withdrawal agreement before Obama became president, even though that agreement would not have been made without the next president’s approval. The fact that Obama then refused to come to a Status of Forces Agreement to maintain U.S. forces in Iraq according to the agreement Bush signed, and then ordered the complete withdrawal of all troops from Iraq you want to blame entirely on Bush.

    This is the same as Obama’s claim that Bush is responsible for the $1.5 trillion deficits that began when Obama took office, even though President Bush did not agree or sign it. And, despite the fact that Obama was a member of the Democrat Congress that drew it up, you want to exonerate him of any complicity.

    Well, you are condemning Bush for an agreement on which he had no say, just as he had no say in Obama passing that budget, The SoF was to be concluded by Obama, not Bush, so citing Bush for signing an agreement that was to be concluded by Obama is just lawyer bullshit, and that doesn’t fly. You may believe it is legal, but that doesn’t make it right, and no one, not even your Obama hacks, are trying to make the case that you claim. They are just stupidly blaming Bush for deposing Saddam.

    Sorry, but the only one who should be keeping his mouth shut is yourself for repeatedly making a fool of yourself.
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    Brendan Dusty Koellhoffer • 11 hours ago
    Wow… you are just making things up.
    Some of what you wrote isn’t just false… it’s crazy.

    I’ll take it one at a time for you.

    You wrote that President George W Bush could not have signed an agreement with the Iraqis without the approval of Obama… even though Obama was not yet President.
    That is frigging nuts.
    What makes you think President Bush could not make a deal without the approval of a future President?
    Do you not know how linear time works?

    You are just making things up.
    You are too old to be this willfully ignorant.

    You are deliberately pretending Bush was powerless and had nothing to do with an agreement he made.
    That is absurd.

    And NO… the Status of Force agreement was not incomplete, awaiting a final signature.
    You simply made that up to fit your belief.
    The facts are not on your side.

    Obama did try to negotiate a new Status of Forces agreement to keep some troops there, but the Iraqis rejected it so … we had to honor the agreement Bush made and withdraw completely.

    Sorry kid.. this one is on Bush… I know you think he’s infallible and you really really want to blame Obama for this one… but the facts are not on your side.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Brendan • in a few seconds
    Your insane rants and attempts to create facts that don’t exist do you credit as a liberal whacko.

    I did not say “Bush could not have signed an agreement with the Iraqis without the approval of Obama.” Go back and find that.

    I did not say “the Status of Force agreement was incomplete, awaiting a final signature.” I said Obama refused to make one.

    “Obama did try to negotiate a new Status of Forces agreement to keep some troops there, but the Iraqis rejected it so … we had to honor the agreement Bush made and withdraw completely.”

    No, he did not negotiate in good faith as the facts bear out and no one but you dispute.

    “Sorry kid.. this one is on Bush.”

    You think patronizing me gives you credibility? You’re a fool who has only succeeded in outwitting yourself, and Sam Clemens warned me about arguing further with the likes of you.
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    Brendan Dusty Koellhoffer • 9 minutes ago
    You are lying about Obama’s signature being needed for the deal Bush made in 2008.
    You may not be purposefully lying… but it is not true.

    Please back that up with any proof.

    Also since you are in utter denial that Obama tried to negotiate to keep troops in Iraq and tried to make a new deal,,, I will give you proof.

    The deal breaker was that Iraq would not let US troops stay without immunity… meaning any Iraqi could make a complaint against any American soldier, and that American soldier would be dragged before an Iraqi court.
    That was the deal breaker.

    Since you do not remember what happened in 2011… and since you can not be bothered to fact check any of your assumptions, I will do it for you.
    Here you go kid.

    http://www.politifact.com/pund

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/im

    http://www.washingtontimes.com

    http://world.time.com/2011/10/

    Even FOX News reported it.
    Scroll down to the middle of this article to see,,,
    http://www.foxnews.com/politic

    “Officials had been discussing with Iraqi leaders the possibility of several thousand U.S. troops staying beyond 2011 to train Iraqi security forces. However, Iraqi leaders had refused to give U.S. troops immunity from prosecution, something that was seen as a deal-breaker. ”
    -FOX NEWS
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    {This person is quite clearly a psychotic deceiver who keeps claiming I said things I did not. No use arguing, he is a fool and Sam Clemens said, “Never argue with a fool or onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”}

    majorwiblit Dusty Koellhoffer • 2 days ago
    so http://liberalsbackwardsthink…. is your own WordPress site…. got it
    you post the junk you post there,,, and C&P it here,,,, got it
    nobody else post on your site…. except you… it seems… got it
    then if there’s back and forth between commentators here… you
    C&P it all over there,,, to show… who??… are you showing yourself the
    differences of opinion?? and or the way you mock them there??

    works for you I guess…….
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    Dusty Koellhoffer majorwiblit • a few seconds ago
    Does that bother you? What works for me is that liberals comment here where maybe ten people see their remarks rather than in the article where hundreds can read it. They do so not to debate the veracity of the facts, but to dissuade the ignorant from learning the truth.

    I don’t mock people who debate the facts. I mock those who demonize and belittle the opinions of others. I mock those who strive to deceive rather than inform, and they deserve to have the tables turned on them.
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    Jeannie Snarr
    The right is putting all the blame on Obama , there is enough blame to go around .

    Why don’t the right admit that it was Bush who actually instigated the withdrawal , he deemed the surge a success , supported and signed the SOFA that gave the deadline…See More
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    Dusty Koellhoffer The answer to this is – you’re an idiot who obviously didn’t bother to read the article.
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    Vlad Jersian Dusty, you should write the article, “How to make friends and influence people”.
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    Vlad Jersian Of course if it wasn’t for Bush there would be no ISIS.. the “mastermind” who crew up the BLUEPRINTS for ISIS and most of the current military planners and leaders are all former Sadam Hussein “Republican Guard”.. nobody can argue that.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Why, do you think I would win over Jeannie by being charming? Like you, she is a deceiver, which requires no niceties on my part. You both are pushing the narrative that Bush created ISIS and your reasoning is filled with misinformation. Islam is responsible for the Jihad and no other. Bush crushed them in 2007. Obama opened the way for them in 2010 by pulling out all troops against all military advice. End of story.
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    http://www.ijreview.com/2015/05/325252-defense-secretary-robert-gates-says-we-have-no-middle-east-strategy/?fb_comment_id=fbc_1049724415055054_1049844395043056_1049844395043056#f249e5d928

    Don Huxtable
    A strategy that dismisses a bloodbath as a setback from which we will recover doesn’t absolve us from culpability
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    Barry Stone · Kennesaw State University
    Don Huxtable Don, what specific “bloodbath” has been dismissed as a setback, first of all. And what in the world is the strategy?” There hasn’t been a strategy to prevent any kind of setbacks since 2010. I was in Iraq. We had the terrrorists on the battlefield, ya know the ones that are now called ISIS, ISIL, Islamic State, whatever. A bunch of murdering, beheading, raping, pillaging animals that we could have killed on the battlefield if our “let’s set down and talk to them” govt would have let us. You can’t talk to,or bargain with, much less trust a lying, murdering, fanatical jihadist. How has that worked out for us? Huh? You draw them out on the battlefield, not a room at the UN, and you KILL THE ANIMALS!!
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    Dusty Koellhoffer · University of Georgia
    And the military under Bush did so! They were crushed in 2008. Obama unleashed them in 2010.
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    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/craig-millward/jindal-hillary-clintons-changing-religious-beliefs-comment-sounds#comment-2037017240

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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 7 hours ago
    ISIS is a Shiite Muslim movement. Saddam Hussein, although he was a completely secular dictator, was born a Sunni, and subjugated the Shiite majority. He was brutal but he held the Shiites in check. When he was deposed during the war all that changed. The Iraq war resulted in destabilization of the region and was ultimately what created ISIS.

    Obama ran and won on a platform that promised we would get out of Iraq. It was what the majority in this country wanted and voted for. Once he was in office, he did what he promised to do. That is supposed to be how democracy works and how a democratically elected politician is supposed to act..

    Bush and Chaney manufactured a story to sell a war to the American people, something former CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell essentially admitted Tuesday evening during an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews. He failed to see the consequences of war. After he started it, at one point he arbitrarily declared victory. That is not how democracy is supposed to work.

    I think the American people knew that, even before Morell’s admission, although his brother Jeb seems to be as dishonest as he was and has been paying the price for that the past week or so.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • a few seconds ago
    You recite the leftwing narrative entirely as if Saddam’s WMDs was a fabrication of Bush/Cheney when it was an intelligence assessment that even Clinton admitted to in 1998. That and the fact that the Gulf War was never ended, but that the invasion and deposing of Saddam was a continuation of that war. Victory was not “arbitrarily” declared, but achieved with his overthrow.

    Saddam’s removal did not stabilize the region because America had made Iraq a strong and stable nation able to stand on its own two feet as one of Obama’s greatest successes – according to what Obama himself said in 2010 when he pulled out.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 5 hours ago
    I guess you don’t watch TV or suffer from cognitive dissonance. As I said, the CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell essentially admitted Tuesday evening during an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews that Bush and Cheney intentionally misrepresented the intelligence he provided and used his credibility to sell the war.
    As I said, a democracy isn’t supposed to work like that.
    The complete disregard you show for the facts lead me to believe you are just reciting a narrative even many on the right no longer believe. A pure ideological view that is completely uncorrupted by troublesome things like facts.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • a few seconds ago
    The fact that he works with the Obama Administration and was saying it on MSNBC, the main Democrat echo chamber that has been proven to promote blatant lies, is proof enough for me that his testimony is corrupt and not to be believed. The cognitive dissonance is in believing liberal media liars to ever tell the truth. But then, unless you actually listen to both sides to make the choice between the facts of one side versus the other, you wouldn’t know.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 7 hours ago
    You end with saying “unless you actually listen to both sides to make the choice between the facts of one side versus the other”, after clearly saying you assume anything said by “the liberal media”, MSNBC, or anyone working with the Obama administration, as “blatant lies”, “corrupt and not to be believed”, and from “liberal media liars”.

    Since you seem unable to take your own advice and “actually listen to both sides”, I think it wise to simply ignore your partisan ideological rants. You can go back to watching FOX news, or listening to Rush,
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • 4 minutes ago
    You make the typical foolish liberal assumption that I have never listened to MSNBC or Barack Obama. I have done so for years and examined and already know the stories before listening to the pundits. I have written numerous articles with video links of Democrats lying right to the cameras and then denying their lies the next day.

    All the evidence of every incident in which the facts presented on MSNBC and on FOX that were in conflict I found that, while FOX exaggerates, MSNBC prevaricates. Trying to find a subject on which Obama speaks in which he is both honest and pro-America is virtually impossible. Liberals can only prove FOX news to be liars because they are told to do so, not because they have any actual proof.

    If you think you can find ANYTHING about which Rush Limbaugh has ever lied, you can post it here. I will happily educate you about where you have been misled by the dishonest and immoral preaching of the Left. Or you can read my articles which always offer clear insight into the twisted and dysfunctional mentality of liberal thinking.
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    David Cromie Dusty Koellhoffer • 3 hours ago
    Since you have already condemned MSNBC as liars, I cannot figure out why you would bother to listen to them since you can get the ‘truth’ from Fox non-News. Roger Ailes has done a good job indoctrinating people of low intellect, and that means, especially, GOP adherents and other assorted idiots. There is true twisted dysfunctionality in operation, making large profits for liar Murdoch and News International.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer David Cromie • in a few seconds
    So I know the lies people like you are being told and believe, which is what intelligent people do. Not listening to both sides so you can decide for yourself, but listening to only one side and then thinking the Right are the assorted idiots is what people of low intellect do.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 6 minutes ago
    I would like to see some factual support for your assertions, because you appear to have a rather extreme ideological bias, which not only causes me to question what you say, but also makes you not much fun to discuss issues with. You are way too predictable.
    PolitFact compared FOX, MSNBC, and CNN and found that a/o Jan. 27, 2015:

    At Fox and Fox News, 10 percent of the claims we’ve rated have been True, 11 percent Mostly True, 18 percent Half True, 21 percent Mostly False, 31 percent False and nine percent Pants on Fire.

    That means about 60 percent of the claims we’ve checked have been rated Mostly False or worse.

    At MSNBC and NBC, 44 percent of claims have received a rating of Mostly False or worse.

    And as for CNN? It has the best record among the cable networks, as 80 percent of of the claims we’ve rated are Half True or better.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • 12 hours ago
    Politifact is a leftwing agency and as reliable a purveyor of truth as MSNBC.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 7 hours ago
    It was a forgone conclusion you would say that.

    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • in a few seconds
    Of course it is! and of course you will say it is because I am a closed-minded bigot who will not listen to facts that disagree with my opinion. I say it is because they present opinions that are not actual facts. The fact that they rated the leftist statement that Republicans want to take away women’s birth control as ‘true’ when there is not a Republican in the history of the planet who has ever said any such thing is proof! That they say the TEA Party is racist and the new KKK is proof! That they have said ObamaCare is cost neutral and a thousand other Obama lies are true, or only partly false, is proof!

    My idiot brother-in-law recently posted a silly picture in which three shopping carts supposedly depicted how much inflation has impacted buying food and why minimum wage should be increased. The cart from 1998 was overflowing while the cart from 2015 was almost empty. Inflation has not increased 1000% in twenty years, minimum wage has gone up during that time, and no one is or should be expected to have a lifelong career living on minimum wage which is meant for unskilled beginners.

    The Right isn’t wrong about its facts and opinions. The Left doesn’t think intelligently with any facts, just opinions based on dysfunctional thinking.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 26 minutes ago
    Here are a couple from PolitiFact. The first is one of Rush’s more stupid, and absolutely wrong, comments from the transcript of Limbaugh’s July 17, 2012, show:

    “This evil villain in the new Batman movie is named Bane. And there’s now a discussion out there as to whether or not this is purposeful and whether or not it will influence voters. It’s gonna have a lot of people. This movie, the audience is gonna be huge. A lot of people are gonna see the movie, and it’s a lot of brain-dead people, entertainment, the pop culture crowd, and they’re gonna hear Bane in the movie and they’re gonna associate Bain. The thought is that when they start paying attention to the campaign later in the year, and Obama and the Democrats keep talking about Bain, Romney and Bain, that these people will think back to the Batman movie, ‘Oh, yeah, I know who that is.’ There are some people who think it’ll work. Others think you’re really underestimating the American people to think that will work.”

    He wrapped up:

    “You may think it’s ridiculous, I’m just telling you this is the kind of stuff the Obama team is lining up. The kind of people who would draw this comparison are the kind of people that they are campaigning to. These are the kind of people that they are attempting to appeal to.”

    The truth is Bane entered the Batman storyline back in 1993. That’s more than a decade before Romney first ran for president in 2007.
    Here is another, not as stupid, comment that was false.
    Limbaugh said on Feb. 3, 2015, the measles outbreak was all fault of the White House anyway.

    “We have a vaccination problem for one reason: Barack Hussein Obama and his open borders immigration policy, which opened the southern borders to children sick, healthy, you name it, poor, ill-educated, just tens of thousands of kids flooded the southern border all of last year.”

    “They were never examined before they got here. They were never examined after they got here and quarantined if they had a disease. They were just sent out across the country. Many of them had measles.”

    In 2014, over 68,000 unaccompanied minors presented themselves at the border.
    In response, the departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services. Homeland Security set up new processing centers and HHS’s Office of Refugee Resettlement looked after the children until their fates were resolved.

    Contrary to Limbaugh’s assertion, the federal government did examine these kids. The protocol, according to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, was to provide “vaccinations to all children who do not have documentation of previous valid doses of vaccine.”

    Limbaugh also claimed that these children were never quarantined if they had a disease. The reverse is true.

    “Children receive additional, more thorough medical screening and vaccinations at ORR shelter facilities,” according to the refugee resettlement Web page. “If children are found to have certain communicable diseases, they are separated from other children and treated as needed.”
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • a few seconds ago
    Seriously, the subject you pick is his musings about Batman, Bane, and Romney? He was right in that the LiVs would associate Bane combating the greedy rich with Romney and Bain Capitol. Not having seen the movie or followed Batman he had no way of knowing that the story line of the movie was right out of the French Revolution and the evils of overthrowing the greedy rich to put in power the greedy poor.

    But taken as a whole, that is what you come up with as an example of Rush Limbaugh “lying?”

    The Enterovirus outbreak was traced directly back to these illegals that Obama scattered around the U.S., all in the areas to which they were relocated. I put several links in this opinion piece about it. http://liberalsbackwardsthink….

    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 7 hours ago
    You asked for examples. I said the first was stupid, but it was a simple example of the stupid crap Limbaugh spews and ideologues like yourself just eat up.

    Rush has a long list, but it is pointless to present them to you.

    You are a true republican, like Congressional Representative named Earl Landgrebe, who in 1974, adamantly opposed the impeachment of Richard Nixon said:
    “Don’t confuse me with facts: I’ve got a closed mind,”
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • a few seconds ago
    I asked for one example of where you claim Limbaugh lied and misled people, and you give me a ridiculous diatribe about Batman and an opinion that simple-minded people will equate the evil character Bane with Romney and Bain Capital. If Rush’s list of lies is so long why are you having so much trouble finding one?

    I have listened to Rush off and on for twenty years. I have been a member of Rush 24/7 for the last several years and listen to him all of his shows and, despite not paying close attention half the time, the time that I do I have never heard him give false information. Even when he is wrong one of his staff corrects him on the facts.

    Your claim that he is a liar and a deceiver who misinforms the public falls on its face when compared with Leftists who create fictions like “Republicans want to deny women birth control pills” and “the TEA Party is the KKK.” You have nothing and your opinion that Republicans are the ones who are closed minded is just you projecting your own dysfunctional thinking onto others.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 7 minutes ago
    “I have listened to Rush off and on for twenty years. I have been a member of Rush 24/7 for the last several years and listen to him all of his shows.”

    That goes a long way in explaining what happened to you.

    “Your claim that he is a liar and a deceiver who misinforms the public falls on its face when compared with Leftists who create fictions…”

    That is certainly a non sequitur, one person’ behavior isn’t exonerated because someone else behaves badly. That doesn’t even make sense. You just use it to continue your rant about evil leftists.

    “You have nothing and your opinion that Republicans are the ones who are closed minded is just you projecting your own dysfunctional thinking onto others.”

    I didn’t say all Republican were closed minded, just ones like you and Earl Landgrebe. I’m sure there are moderate, reasonable Republican, who you doubtless consider RINOs. They just get shouted down by the extremists like yourself.
    You are the raging moderate and liberal hating extremist, and my thinking is dysfunctional?
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • in a few seconds
    You believe truths are lies and lies are truth and you condemn those who speak the truth in the face of the lies to which you adhere. That is what makes your thinking dysfunctional.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 7 minutes ago
    “I am a closed-minded bigot who will not listen to facts that disagree with my opinion.”

    We finally agree on something.

    “The Right isn’t wrong about its facts and opinions. The Left doesn’t think intelligently with any facts, just opinions based on dysfunctional thinking.”

    I was kidding when I wrote the line about you being a bigot, but you really are.

    Webster defines a bigot as a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

    You neatly place people into groups and explain how the you are in “isn’t wrong about its facts and opinionstreat ” and the other doesn’t think intelligently with any facts, just opinions based on dysfunctional thinking.”
    That is obviously bigotry and you either are not ashamed of being one, or just to stupid to realize you just, once again have shown yourself to be one. If that is the case, your thinking is obviously so messed up, you probably do think everyone whose isn’t is dysfunctional.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • in a few seconds
    Only a leftist would say adhering to the truth is bigotry, and I that not I must concede that you are the kind of person with whom Sam Clemens warned me never to argue.
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    Hermit Dusty Koellhoffer • 5 minutes ago
    Funny that academic surveys reflect the fact that watching only Fox News makes you less informed than watching no news at all…

    As for Rush Limbaugh, your naïve trust in him seems to be misplaced. Politifact has repeatedly investigated statements made by him. Zero have been found “True”, 2% have been found “Mostly True”, 3% “Half True” so 5% are half true or better. The balance are 9% “Mostly False”, 10% “False”, and a whopping 8% “Pants on Fire” False. This explains why Limbaugh has been rated least trustworthy member of the media.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Hermit • a few seconds ago
    WOW – you let other people tell you that someone to whom you never listen is honest or dishonest. Post one thing that they claim Rush said that is a whopper, and I will post the truth because I have actually listened to him and those who call him a liar.
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    Hermit Dusty Koellhoffer • 5 minutes ago
    “Global warming is a hoax” won recognition as the 2014 “Lie of the Year”
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Hermit • a few seconds ago
    Man-made climate change has been the Lie of the Year for forty years running. If you want to believe lies then give the government more of your money. If you want to learn the truth then follow the money.

    Liberals continue to promote the fraud that man controls the
    climate and will make the earth a desert.
    http://liberalsbackwardsthink….
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    Hermit Dusty Koellhoffer • 26 minutes ago
    And here you illustrate why people who watch Fox News and listen to AM radio are more ignorant than if they didn’t.

    If you knew enough physics to understand the greenhouse effect, you might be a bit smarter about this.

    If you realised that the signature of CO2 in the atmosphere proved that the CO2 causing global warming is anthropic, you might be a bit smarter about this.

    If you realised that warming oceans, melting icepacks and vanishing glaciers proved a rapidly warming planet, you might be a bit smarter about this.

    If you realized that legacy carbon producers are making billions of dollars of profit a year and paying out millions to politicians and organizations denying climate change and causing confusion, you might be a bit smarter about this.

    If you actually went outside, as farmers and hunters do, you might be a bit smarter about this.

    If you realised that 100% of the worlds national academies of the sciences regard anthropic global warming as proven and happening, you might be a bit smarter about this.

    But if you realized any of the above, you might not be happy living in an oligarchy, pretending to be smart, while bad mouthing liberalism, which is defined as valuing independent thinking and cherishing liberty and equality – while imagining that you exemplify these attributes. Then again, if you were a bit smarter about anything, you wouldn’t be watching Fox News and listening to AM radio.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Hermit • a few seconds ago
    You think you’re smart? If you are so smart then how does a heavier than air gas rise into the stratosphere to produce a greenhouse effect?

    You think you’re smart? If you are so smart than why are liberals, who say they cherish independent thinking, so dedicated to censoring debate by demonizing those who disagree with them?

    You are a sad example of how completely misinformed a person can be to be so overloaded with false facts proving once again that it is better to be a smart ass conservative than a dumb ass liberal.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 5 hours ago
    Except Greenhouse gases trap heat in the troposphere, the part of the atmosphere the lowest layer of Earth’s atmosphere, not the stratosphere. The troposphere is bonded on the top by a layer of air called the tropopause, which separates the troposphere from the stratosphere, and on bottom by the surface of the Earth.
    Greenhouse gases trap reflected heat from the Earth and warms the troposphere, the tropopause, and the Earth> This also results in cooling the stratosphere, since the reflected heat never reaches it.
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • in a few seconds
    Unfortunately, Hermit’s response was apparently either lost to the ether or he deleted it when he realized how stupid it was, but I doubt the latter. Here is his response that came to my email thru Disqus;

    Hermit

    Brownian motion, air movement and thermal effects result in continuous mixing of the constituents of the atmosphere. Sampling throughout the troposphere to the tropopause reflects thorough mixing and presence of carbon dioxide.
    Research reflects the fact that conservatives tend to be less intelligent than liberals, who are quite smart enough to play tit-for-tat games with losers who engage in verbal sparring despite their lack of suitable arms.
    And once again a conservative falls and there is no-one there to rescue him as he struggles, desperately attempting to breath around the foot he has jammed into his own mouth. Weird.

    Here is my response to both of you:

    Brownian Motion? That is what you are going with? Seriously? You are going to use Brownian Motion to disprove physics? You are declaring that CO2 molecules rise into the troposphere by virtue of Brownian Motion and stay there, that they never fall, but continue to accumulate? That thermodynamics and convection currents push CO2 up and they never fall, so what goes up that is heavier than air doesn’t ever cool, doesn’t ever come down? And on that basis you declare intellectual victory?

    How about using weather balloon data showing we have been collecting for the last seventy years that show how CO2 above the stratosphere has doubled or tripled? Why not? BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH DATA! There is NO empirical evidence of planetary CO2 increases, no evidence it exists in the upper atmosphere beyond what is normal, and no scientific proof that CO2 creates a greenhouse effect beyond someone’s computer models that they programmed to do so! The only data they have collected is the fact that man produces more CO2 due to industry and fossil fuel burning, but none that it has become significant in the atmosphere. It is still a trace gas!

    If this is what you believe then, on that basis, I must admit complete and utter defeat! There is no possibility of overcoming such galactic stupidity. You have proven that you are the kind of person with whom Sam Clemens warned never to argue. If people like you are the majority of American voters then this nation is doomed.
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    Jim H Dusty Koellhoffer • 14 hours ago
    You are really something. Most of our right wing politians have begun to admit they are not a scientist, so they have quit talking about the science, and stick more to the economic impacts. Not you. You don’t let not being a scientist prevent you from arguing about the science.

    I don’t need to address the science. Scientists have already done that, so I’ll let them speak about it.

    Go to NASA’s website. Type co2 in the search box you should get the following and more:

    climate.nasa.gov/400ppmquotes/

    CO2 concentrations haven’t been this high in millions of years. Even more alarming is the rate of increase in the last five decades and the fact that …

    climate.nasa.gov/climate_resou…

    The relentless rise of carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. NASA. … Some description adapted from the Scripps CO2 Program website, “Keeling …

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/feat...

    A new atmosphere-ocean climate modeling study shows that the planet’s temperature depends, ultimately, on the atmospheric level of carbon dioxide.

    climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

    Vital Signs of the Planet: Global Climate Change and Global Warming. How do we know it’s happening? Here’s the evidence.

    I know, NASA is run by leftists and for almost 60 years has been hoaxing the American people. Are you one of the folks that think they faked the moon landing too? What else have they been up to?
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    Dusty Koellhoffer Jim H • 3 minutes ago
    Go to NASA and type in “Muslim Science” and you will find all kinds of information about how Islam has made scientific advance in Europe possible, even though Islam is about as scientific as the Inquisition. No one needs to address the science because the only science at work here is the science of psychological warfare. Democrats are in control of propaganda and they are waging a campaign of misinformation on ignorant, uneducated Americans.

    You are either one of the uneducated being fooled into believing their lies or you are one of the deceivers perpetrating those lies. Either way, I will be the one who strives to educate those whom you are striving to convince to examine the evidence and think for themselves, and I will be praying God help them recognize that socialists are just in it for their money. If what I say is false then I’m sure you can explain why the north polar ice cap still exists when scientists said it would be completely gone and never come back by this time.
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